“We can’t let our faith be affected by the latest scientific discoveries or archaeological whims.”
from “The Search for Whit,” Odyssey (Children’s radio program from Focus on the Family), 25 Aug 2004)
Is Christianity based on historical facts or not? Growing up in the ‘60s with a firm modern worldview (as opposed to pre- or post-modern), I was well-indoctrinated with the view that, unlike other religions, Christianity is solidly historical and factual. We didn’t believe because it seemed like a good idea, or because of some spiritual reasoning, but because the Bible was historical. God had created the world, started the human race with a historical Adam and Eve, redeemed Israel, worked throughout its history, and as a culmination had revealed his Messiah and Son Jesus who rose bodily from the dead.
As I’m reading Evangelical apologetic works, though, I’m coming across some divergent views which seem to suggest that faith does not need to be backed by observable facts.
My son loves listening to Odyssey, and the episode quoted above really caught my attention. What, our faith should not be affected by facts? Granted, this is hardly a serious philosophical or theological source, but it’s something that is being broadcast to children across America. The story revolves around a plot to discredit the resurrection of Jesus by proving that his bones were found and by the witness of manuscripts from his time. In the end, of course, it all turned out to be a hoax. Nevertheless, the kids are reminded that it doesn’t matter what historians and archeologists discover, because our faith is based on … well, faith? Or the Bible?
The first essay in the book Do Historical Matters Matter to Faith tries to provide philosophical justification for this approach, with this quote being fundamental:
First, “ordinary” Christians (Christians not trained in New Testament scholarship) have grounds for believing that the gospel stories are (essentially) historical—grounds independent of the claims of historical scholarship. Secondly, New Testament scholars have established nothing that tells against the thesis that ordinary Christians have grounds independent of historical studies for believing in the essential historicity of the gospel stories. Thirdly, ordinary Christians may therefore ignore any skeptical historical claims made by New Testament scholars with a clear intellectual conscience.
Let’s expand this a bit, point by point.
- “Christians … have grounds for believing that the gospel stories are (essentially) historical—grounds independent of the claims of historical scholarship.” In other words, we don’t need history or historians to inform us that the gospels are historical. This is because we can rely on presuppositions as the foundation of our knowledge. We can validly start with non-empiric assumptions, perhaps that God and Jesus are as described in the Bible, giving us a ground that is “independent of the claims of historical scholarship.”
- “Secondly, New Testament scholars have established nothing that tells against the thesis that ordinary Christians have grounds independent of historical studies for believing in the essential historicity of the gospel stories.” That is, scholars have done nothing to disprove the thesis that people are justified in believing history without the need for historical studies. Indeed, point (1) has made it impossible by definition for scholars of facts to disturb such a thesis.
- “Ordinary Christians may therefore ignore any skeptical historical claims made by New Testament scholars with a clear intellectual conscience,” perhaps better reworded as “ordinary Christians may therefore, with a clear intellectual conscience, ignore any skeptical historical claims made by New Testament scholars.” In other words, “we don’t need no stinkin’ facts,” at least not if they’re facts that support skeptical claims.
It turns out that historical and investigation can be useful when used to support the faith, but they are no cause for concern when they don’t:
For pragmatic and apologetic reasons, [the Christian’s critical biblical studies] work may be very valuable. But in the event that he faces a critical argument that he cannot answer, he does not feel pressure to capitulate immediately. If, after all, he has grounds for belief that are independent of CBS [critical biblical studies] and that are not undercut by CBS, he has no reason to despair when faced with difficult arguments from CBS.
Lest we think we might be oversimplifying the matter, misinterpreting a more subtle argument, the authors give an example. Bill, whose “belief in the truthfulness of the Bible is warranted because it is triggered by the “internal instigation of the Holy Spirit.” “Warranted” here is a specific, technical term meaning that his belief has valid grounds, in this case the moving of the Spirit.
Now Bill hears about claims of critical biblical scholars that the exodus never happened as described in the Bible, being unsupported by textual criticism and archeology. Should that rock his faith in the historicity of the account in the Bible? Should careful scholarship cause him to wonder if perhaps the stories were created for spiritual or cultural reasons but do not reflect 100% accurate history? Not at all.
He has a properly basic belief in the “great things of the gospel,” and he is convinced that the biblical account of the gospel is deeply intertwined with an actual Passover and exodus. Upon reflection, he realizes that CBS does nothing to undercut or overturn his “warranted Christian belief,” and he concludes therefore that it does nothing to destroy his belief that what the Bible says about the matter is warranted. He concludes with van Inwagen, therefore, that he “may therefore ignore any skeptical historical claims . . . with a clear conscience.”
He believes the “great things of the gospel” because he is moved by the Holy Spirit, he believes that the gospel implies a historical exodus, so he is free to ignore any evidence to the contrary.
Is this whole approach justified? I’m no philosopher, but it seems to me that the critical assumption here is that we can (or do, or must) base our knowledge on foundational assumptions. Obviously that’s true in some way, since even the ideas that there is true knowledge or an external world represent assumptions. But can we start by assuming the “great things of the gospel”? If so, then what do we say to someone who starts by assuming the great things of Islam? Or radical materialism? How can we go beyond saying “well, it’s true for me”? How strong is a faith-system that is immune to contrary evidence?
Reference: James K. Hoffmeier and Dennis R. Magary (2012-03-04). Do Historical Matters Matter to Faith (Kindle Locations 708-712). Good News Publishers/Crossway Books. Kindle Edition. From Peter van Inwagen, “Do You Want Us to Listen to You?,” in “Behind” the Text: History and Biblical Interpretation, ed. Craig G. Bartholomew et al. (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2003), 101.
Hi Mike,
ReplyDeleteLong time no talk. (Your brother sent me the link to your blog - said I might be interested)
I was going to post this as a comment to your "doubt" blog but that seems to have vanished so I'll post it here.
You seem to be heading down a path I took over 30 years ago; whether you will end up at the same place remains to be seen.
I came from the same Evangelical background you did; grew up reading Francis Schaefer, C.S. Lewis, Josh McDowell and then (briefly) attended Christian Heritage College where I studied with Gish, Morris, and other universal-flood young-earth creationists. I was firmly convinced that the Bible was literally true and importantly also that there were good reasons for believing so. We Christians did not believe in the Bible on whim or emotion or just to follow our parents or the culture around us but believed for good solid reasons.
Those two components – the Bible is true and our belief is based on reasons – came into conflict shortly after I transferred to UC San Diego. I studied physics and in my spare time would read up on the latest research. It was soon clear to me that based on the overwhelming evidence the Universe and the Earth were old, the Big Bang theory was correct, and there could not in any way shape or form have been a universal flood as I believed the Bible taught. I even remember the moment I became convinced that the Big Bang cosmology was correct. I was in the bowels of the Science & Engineering library reading a research paper on the abundance of various light isotopes in intergalactic space and how they matched the predictions from the Big Bang model. My remaining resistance to Big Bang cosmology collapsed right there.
This posed a problem. The Bible and science contradicted each other; something had to give. I really wanted to salvage a belief in the Bible. These were the logical options as I saw them at the time:
1. Science, properly understood, doesn't really say the Universe and the Earth are old or that the universal flood could not have happened.
2. The Bible, properly understood, doesn't really say the Universe and the Earth are young or that there was a universal flood.
3. Science is wrong.
4. The Bible is wrong.
5. They are both wrong.
Here was my analysis:
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ReplyDelete[1] The first option, the Creation Science option, the one I had lived with since my early teens, was no longer tenable. I understood the physics, I knew the evidence, I could read the research papers and I could no more believe that young-earth creation science was backed by science and the evidence than I could believe the Earth was flat. No matter how much I would have wanted it I couldn't force my brain into that shape; it simply wasn't true.
[3] Option 3, the postmodern view, would reject Science as a method for finding truth. That was fine as far as it went, it is after all very hard to strictly prove that the world isn't a big illusion or something, but the side effect was that if I wasn't going to base my beliefs on evidence, why believe the Bible? I could just believe whatever I wanted, whatever was convenient, become something of a mystic and not worry about it. Option 3 led in practice to rejecting the Bible which was what I was trying to avoid. Plus, science was just so amazingly accurate and useful in understanding the world. It really worked. I would rather stay sane and tie my beliefs to the real world as far as I could than drift anchor-less from one spiritual fad to another propelled by the latest cultural currents and social influences.
[5] Option 5? See option 3.
[2] Option 2, the Old Earth, Theistic Evolution, liberal christianity, the reinterpret-the-parts-of-the-Bible-that-we-don't-like-or-disagree-with-as-myth-or-culturally-limited option was the one that I thought about the longest. There were a lot of respectable people here (C. S. Lewis for one, pretty much the whole Catholic church for another).
Yes, you could, if you fought with the text enough, turn it into something that didn't contradict known science. The problem was that for thousands of years almost all who read it thought it did mean a literal Adam & Eve, a recent creation and a universal flood. They also thought this was theologically important. Many of them still do. Did God mislead them? If so, why should we trust the rest of what he said?
The fault for their getting it wrong is usually ascribed to them, not God. But I didn't see how you could do that. If God in his omniscience couldn’t inspire the writers to write in a way that readers would correctly understand what was the point of following the Bible? This wasn't a small point on which different people in the Church had disagreed; this was a point that Christians had almost all gotten completely wrong until maybe 200 years ago or so.(*) We could be getting it just as wrong as our predecessors. Maybe the resurrection is meant metaphorically? Was Abraham real or just a myth? Could the whole Trinity thing be a misinterpretation? Maybe we are wrong about the Deity of Christ? And don't get me started with Dispensationalism.
If due to our limitations we can't reliably understand the Bible or correctly determine which parts are important then what are we doing using it as a guide for belief and action anyway? If, whenever we discover that something in the Bible is untrue or no longer matches our cultural values, we reinterpret it, then the Bible is no longer an anchor for our belief but just a mirror reflecting what we already think. In practice this leads to the same drift in the spiritual world as option 3 does in the objective world.
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ReplyDelete[4] Option 4, the Bible is just wrong, the view of agnostics, atheists, evolutionists, moral relativists, secular humanists, liberals and other "bad" people was the only option left. And that, very reluctantly, is where I ended up.
I was afraid for a while that without a belief in the Christian God I would become a "bad" person. But I quickly found that I hadn't fallen off a cliff, I was no worse (or truth be told better) than I had been before. Science was a lot more fun as I no longer had to worry about something conflicting with my faith, I could just follow the evidence wherever it led. The world was still full of mysteries, unknowns, challenges and discoveries to be made. Life went on.
Dealing with the family and social fall-out took longer, but that's another discussion.
Sorry for the length of the comment. I'll be shorter in any future ones - this is your blog after all, not mine.
All the best.
Groff
(*) Yes, Origen interpreted it metaphorically, but he was pretty unique in that, and in any case was condemned as a heretic in the 5th ecumenical council.
Hey, I like long comments and it's not as if I have hundreds of them on the blog. My response to yours is "yup, yup, um-hm," we're pretty much on the same page, but I'm still trying to find an answer that includes the gospel without resorting to a pure leap of faith. I don't actually see Genesis 1-10 as huge problems, but what you're getting at in "If due to our limitations we can't reliably understand the Bible ..." is more troublesome to me. It's what I discussed in my review early this year of "The Bible Made Impossible," a problem the author calls "pervasive interpretative pluralism." In short, even if the Bible is inerrant, our interpretations are not, and there is little that is agreed on, so how could we know which interpretation is right?
DeleteI think I understand. Genesis 1-10 leads directly to either a) the Bible is false or b) "due to our limitations we can't reliably understand the Bible". If we end up with b) then we're really in the same boat in practice as a); the Bible isn't much use as a guide to either belief or action.
DeleteI think we have no way of knowing which interpretation is correct because there is no way of knowing which interpretation is correct. Christianity has no persuasive method of reconciling different theological interpretations. There is no objective or "experimental" method we can agree on that leads to correct interpretation. No way of eliciting new revelations to clarify questions we have about the existing one.
You can see this work itself out historically. As long as there was a Christian Emperor, agreement could be forced; the basic creeds of Christianity, the pieces all Christians today agree on, were those imposed by the State. If you read the history of the early church councils you realize that there were widely varying views on the Trinity, Salvation, the Canon, the person of Christ etc. What came to be Orthodox Christianity was coercively imposed by the Empire as Gnostics, Arians, Docetists and others lost out. And it was coercive not persuasive; see Constantine's edict (from Wikipedia) below.
"In addition, if any writing composed by Arius should be found, it should be handed over to the flames, so that not only will the wickedness of his teaching be obliterated, but nothing will be left even to remind anyone of him. And I hereby make a public order, that if someone should be discovered to have hidden a writing composed by Arius, and not to have immediately brought it forward and destroyed it by fire, his penalty shall be death. As soon as he is discovered in this offence, he shall be submitted for capital punishment....."
Once the Empire split, and the central authority lost control over belief, Christianity started to diverge; Monophysites and Nestorians in Egypt and the near east fell outside of imperial control and went their own direction. Catholicism and Orthodoxy split. Eventually the reformation broke the Catholic consensus in the West and 100 flowers of interpretation bloomed as each confession went it's separate way.
Compare that to Science where there are objective external persuasive methods for understanding the world around us. Physics is the same across widely differing cultures. Chemical formulas do not depend on the power of a central authority. And more importantly Science grows; it makes progress; we know more now than we did 20 years ago. We can't say the same for theology in any religion.
I chose to go with Science.
(Well, I call it a choice, but in truth I couldn't make my mind go any other way)
Have you considered speaking in a common mans terms?
ReplyDeleteYou are trying to reason away truths and "facts" to find a way to "Prove" the existence or lack of that a God is real.
Can you really measure how far away a star is by the light that comes from it?
If the light takes 3,000,000,000 years to get to us, does that mean that the world as we know it it at least that old?
Can not the God who made the star also make the light in between the star and us already there and 3,000,000,000 years light long?
And do you really think if someone jumps off of a cliff to save you, but they refused to empty the trash that somehow because you had to empty the trash that they do not love you?
Are you like the Pharisees that knew the word inside and out but yet did not see God when He was standing next to them?
Those who look for facts to confirm their faith will not find them. If you confirm God by facts, faith would be useless.
"We are saved by faith" and Faith comes by "hearing" the word of God. You can "hear" God when you see a newborn baby enter the world, you hear God when you watch the cycles and systems He has placed for us to live and inhabit this Earth. You can hear God when a man jumps in front of a train is the subway to save another who has fallen that he has never met.
Those who know God know Him in Spirit and in Truth. You can not know God without both.
I am concerned that you have come to this point, it seems you have allowed doubt to settle in and "facts" to overthrow whatever faith you had.
75 years ago the Hittites were used as a fact that the bible was not correct for years, until further revealed during the German diggings in the war around 1945.
God will always allow certain "facts" to seem in contrast with "truth" so that He does not get confirmed to those who refuse to see Him by the signs and wonders He has already shown.
Without faith what are we? How many times in the history of man have we been the ones who were wrong and the "science of the day" stood upon as gospel just to find out it was so far off reality we are amazed anyone would believe it?
only 140 years ago people still believed the Earth WAS FLAT and yet Isaiah spoke of the sphere of the Earth thousands of years before "Science" discovered it to be as he said.
I think we need to see what we have as our foundation for living, faith or "fact" both can be wrongly interpreted and displayed, yet faith of God comes with a promise "Acknowledge God and in all your ways He shall guide your paths and lake them straight"
How come when the greatest minds like Greeleaf and Einstien come to the understanding that the story of the Bible is real and therefor the God of the bible must be as well, we can not see that as equal to the "scholars" that claim otherwise?
There will never be absolute proof until we all stand before Him and if you have not seen enough to convince you of His reality before then, I pity your soul.
OK, well, Orion, I don't think we're communicating in the same world of discourse so I can't think of anything to say.
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